Ditto that.

I haven't heard of any of this new stuff.  These kids just amaze me, they're awesome.  It's sickening what is going on and the how the MSM is IGNORING it!    I'm glad they have more.

What do you do when people are so corrupt that they see nothing wrong here other than the story getting out.

I guess you just make sure the story gets out right around election time

our revolution was fought to end the tyranny and "unfair" taxation. but when we gained our freedom from tyranny we suppressed revolt that resulted in constituional convention and george washington raised an army to suppress the whiskey rebellion in pa. will american people really have the guts to rise up to our government who is corrupt and is willing to imprison us?

@supsoo - Again, unless I am mistaken they are not getting federal funding. So why should Congress be looking into this? If these tapes show crimes why isn't local authorities being called over this?...

Laws that apply to ACORN certainly should apply equally to other organizations as well. Thus, we certainly should defund many of our defense contractors, who have defrauded the U.S. government of much more money and broken many more laws than ACORN. 

@Leonidas -The funding was only temporarily stripped. This is a agency that receives federal dollars has had several charges nationwide of voter fraud and deceptive lending practices. This is part of the inner working with assisting people to get funding through the Community Reinvestment Act primarily funded through fannie and freddie.

 Actually I am very surprised that you would not want a investigation and prosecution for fraud, aiding and abetting fraud and violation of federal elections laws and voting roll manipulation Steve. I wouldn't think that just because this is a atypical democrat organization that you would not want them rooted out as dirty so that the funds would be used for their intended purpose. The multitiered organizational working could potential fall under RICO .

I happen to believe in community organizing and getting people out and being active, all people. It's not just for poor people or rich people but for everyone. I think we have quite a few governmental agencies and banks that already deal with that type of thing. Like why would we need ACORN in PA? We have COMPASS that encompasses all service eligibilities in one form that takes fifteen minutes to fill out online. We register you to vote when you get your license. We have mortgage brokers that make a commission off getting you a loan. I think every candidate has their own responsibility to get their own message out as well as their parties message out. They dont need a federally funded group to do it on our dime. And if they do, you wouldn't want  them prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law if they commited a crime and were aiding and abetting criminal activity? 

I am not big on entrapment , but if the entrapment exposes activity and ends that activity I am not out for blood. But we have members of congress that want acorn back fully funded. That is not needed in this time of fiscal crisis. LKet them fund their own political organizations. We can agree to disagree there. Thanks for your input.

@Leonidas -(note)  I see where after I started replying to you  that you did call out specific fraud that you found intolerable. while we may see things different I have always found you to be fair in holding people to account.

Like I said, I am all for community organizing ,aiding people and making sure people make their voices heard. But if someone is being corrupt and misusing funds from the public in doing so I want them prosecuted.  I think it is important enough that  we are doing it on own own dime as volunteer work.

@ProvokingThought - To be honest I was never likely to be one of Holder's fans but this seems cut and dry ACORN is corrupt and they have been spending federal money. @redhairedgrrl - The last I head they are prosecuted when they are caught. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/15/defense-contractor-will-p_n_322740.html

That was the first one I found with little effort.  that fine was just for over charging

Here 3 years in jail for stealing fuel

And here is one with a 20 sentence over her head. They are using her to help bust more people involved.

I would love it if they treated to the two crimes the same. I was shocked at how many go to jail and or pay big fines over defrauding the defence department

@Leonidas - well I would start at your last point and answer no (hopefully), but not really believe it. I think we both know it can get worse.

I dont know if you were around at the time last year I shared about leaving a church for exactly that. (the final straw). I take a different position on church state issues. The church is a non-taxable entity. It is not part of the state and the state has no control of the church. Hit the brakes though.

The church then files to be a non-profit corporation which means it becomes a state created entity by its own action. It then applies for a 501 c 3 exemption. So it goes from being non-taxable to placing itself in a position that the exemption is conditional.. Why do they become 501 c 3? So people can write off their gifts. Why were churches granted tax exemption on property? Because they were considered asset to the community in the assistance they gave.

The state of the Church. (Part 1) Has the church joined with the state?

The state of the Church. Has the church joined with the state? (Part 2)

Church ownership of property and it's implication (s)-Part 3 of Church series

The Church and the State Relationship, Part 4 Governance

Oh, what was that about the DA's Steve? Come on, you know they serve at the pleasure of the president. The examples of many of the churches you cited in inner city arenas  are many times also political churches who do not see the role of the church as the minister of mercy and the role of the state as the minister of justice.

There are political democratic churches in cities as well. Also remember the controversey in the Catholic church over the social gospel? I dont believe in the church being political but that does not change that many are. My view is that the church should hold itself to a higher standard and abide by any agreement it has made to operate under in exchange for their tax exemption.

@dropsofjupiterihh - either had I. I havent been following any of it, just needed a break from healthcare for a bit. Hope school is well. John

@saturnnights - your question in summation  is the reality of why it may be a waste of time.

I hear ya.

It's going ok.  I was just doing some homework.  I really like this school better than the community college.   I miss the bigger setting but I like the classes and teachers better here (from the two that I've had).  The school as a whole is very attentive to your needs and concerns.  It just seems more like they want you to succeed whereas in community college you were just one in a large number of students, they could care less or so it seemed.   Everytime I get tired or overwhelmed I think about the loan I signed away my life for.  lol   Out of all the classes that I took at community college only one teacher made an impression on me.  He's the only one I can remember.  He was a design teacher.